522e-523a
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Ἑλληνική Transliterate
English
ἄλλο τι οὖν , ἦν δ᾽ ἐγώ , μάθημα ἀναγκαῖον πολεμικῷ ἀνδρὶ θήσομεν λογίζεσθαί τε καὶ ἀριθμεῖν δύνασθαι ;
πάντων γ᾽ , ἔφη , μάλιστα , εἰ καὶ ὁτιοῦν μέλλει τάξεων ἐπαΐειν , μᾶλλον δ᾽ εἰ καὶ ἄνθρωπος ἔσεσθαι .
ἐννοεῖς οὖν , εἶπον , περὶ τοῦτο τὸ μάθημα ὅπερ ἐγώ ;
τὸ ποῖον ;
κινδυνεύει τῶν πρὸς τὴν νόησιν ἀγόντων φύσει εἶναι ὧν ζητοῦμεν , χρῆσθαι δ᾽ οὐδεὶς αὐτῷ ὀρθῶς , ἑλκτικῷ ὄντι παντάπασι πρὸς οὐσίαν .
πῶς , ἔφη , λέγεις ;
ἐγὼ πειράσομαι , ἦν δ᾽ ἐγώ , τό γ᾽ ἐμοὶ δοκοῦν δηλῶσαι . ἃ γὰρ διαιροῦμαι παρ᾽ ἐμαυτῷ ἀγωγά τε εἶναι οἷ λέγομεν καὶ μή , συνθεατὴς γενόμενος σύμφαθι ἢ ἄπειπε , ἵνα καὶ τοῦτο σαφέστερον ἴδωμεν εἰ ἔστιν οἷον μαντεύομαι .
δείκνυ᾽ , ἔφη .
δείκνυμι δή , εἶπον , εἰ καθορᾷς , τὰ μὲν ἐν ταῖς αἰσθήσεσιν οὐ παρακαλοῦντα τὴν νόησιν εἰς ἐπίσκεψιν , ὡς ἱκανῶς ὑπὸ τῆς αἰσθήσεως κρινόμενα , τὰ δὲ παντάπασι διακελευόμενα ἐκείνην ἐπισκέψασθαι , ὡς τῆς αἰσθήσεως οὐδὲν ὑγιὲς ποιούσης .
πάντων γ᾽ , ἔφη , μάλιστα , εἰ καὶ ὁτιοῦν μέλλει τάξεων ἐπαΐειν , μᾶλλον δ᾽ εἰ καὶ ἄνθρωπος ἔσεσθαι .
ἐννοεῖς οὖν , εἶπον , περὶ τοῦτο τὸ μάθημα ὅπερ ἐγώ ;
τὸ ποῖον ;
κινδυνεύει τῶν πρὸς τὴν νόησιν ἀγόντων φύσει εἶναι ὧν ζητοῦμεν , χρῆσθαι δ᾽ οὐδεὶς αὐτῷ ὀρθῶς , ἑλκτικῷ ὄντι παντάπασι πρὸς οὐσίαν .
πῶς , ἔφη , λέγεις ;
ἐγὼ πειράσομαι , ἦν δ᾽ ἐγώ , τό γ᾽ ἐμοὶ δοκοῦν δηλῶσαι . ἃ γὰρ διαιροῦμαι παρ᾽ ἐμαυτῷ ἀγωγά τε εἶναι οἷ λέγομεν καὶ μή , συνθεατὴς γενόμενος σύμφαθι ἢ ἄπειπε , ἵνα καὶ τοῦτο σαφέστερον ἴδωμεν εἰ ἔστιν οἷον μαντεύομαι .
δείκνυ᾽ , ἔφη .
δείκνυμι δή , εἶπον , εἰ καθορᾷς , τὰ μὲν ἐν ταῖς αἰσθήσεσιν οὐ παρακαλοῦντα τὴν νόησιν εἰς ἐπίσκεψιν , ὡς ἱκανῶς ὑπὸ τῆς αἰσθήσεως κρινόμενα , τὰ δὲ παντάπασι διακελευόμενα ἐκείνην ἐπισκέψασθαι , ὡς τῆς αἰσθήσεως οὐδὲν ὑγιὲς ποιούσης .
"
Is
it
not
,
then
,
"
I
said
,
"
that
we
place
the
ability
to
calculate
and
to
count
a
necessary
lesson
for
men
of
war
?
"
" Most definitely , " he said , " if he ' s going to be likely to understand battle arrays , and more so if they are going to be human beings . "
" Do you realize , then , " I said , " the lesson that I do ? "
" And what would that be ? "
" It is likely that by nature one of the things that lead to understanding we seek -- but no one uses it correctly -- altogether attracts one to being . " ( * )
" What do you mean ? " he said .
" I will try , " I said , " to show how it seems to me . For I can separate for myself that which leads to what we say and that which does not . Fellow spectator , assent or disagree so that we can see this more clearly , if it is as I divine . "
" Show this , " he said .
" I show then , " I said , " if you see some things for which the sense perceive not calling the mind to inspection being sufficiently judged by the senses , but other things that give orders to look upon [ the mind ] , for perception by the senses is doing nothing healthy . "
" Most definitely , " he said , " if he ' s going to be likely to understand battle arrays , and more so if they are going to be human beings . "
" Do you realize , then , " I said , " the lesson that I do ? "
" And what would that be ? "
" It is likely that by nature one of the things that lead to understanding we seek -- but no one uses it correctly -- altogether attracts one to being . " ( * )
" What do you mean ? " he said .
" I will try , " I said , " to show how it seems to me . For I can separate for myself that which leads to what we say and that which does not . Fellow spectator , assent or disagree so that we can see this more clearly , if it is as I divine . "
" Show this , " he said .
" I show then , " I said , " if you see some things for which the sense perceive not calling the mind to inspection being sufficiently judged by the senses , but other things that give orders to look upon [ the mind ] , for perception by the senses is doing nothing healthy . "